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Summary
The hardest conversations to have often aren’t with strangers, but with our own family, especially when it comes to hot-button issues like a woman’s right to an elective abortion. In this podcast, mama bear Jennifer DeFrates chats with host Amy Davison about how to speak with truth and grace on the subject of abortion rights. Here, Jennifer shares her own background going from pro-choice to pro-life. She and Amy then engage challenges like if abortion has a psychological fall-out, whether overturning Roe violates the autonomy of women, and more. With each challenge Jennifer provides questions to ask to help nurture thoughtful engagement to pro-choice views as well as resources for further study.
Given the nature of this topic, this podcast is best suited teens and adults.
Main Points Covered
- Be mindful of where you are having the conversation.
- Be conversational and kind. Don’t just look for ways to “get them”.
- Questions to ask with
- Ask: Why is abortion important to you?
- Ask: What do you mean by pro-choice? What does that mean?
- Ask: How do you define a baby in the womb?
- Ask: Do you have an absolute right to do whatever you want with your own body? Laws prohibit many other things you can do with your body.
- Ask: Would it be ok, if we discovered there was a gay gene, to abort for that reason? This can help expose idealogical inconsistencies
- Should men have a say in the abortion topic?
People and Resources Mentioned
- J. Warner Wallace Website
- The silent scream on Youtube *Difficult Content Warning*
- 2 Corinthians 4:4
- Documentary: Hush
- Stand to Reason – Scott Klusendorf
- Trent Horn – Persuasive pro life
- HeavennotHarvard.com
- What changed my heart and made me pro-life
- How to share the truth about abortion
- Answersingenesis.org: Crafted by God Book
Unfamiliar Vocabulary
- Famous Violinist Argument: Judith Thomas argues there are limits on the right to life, which does not include the right to use another person’s body. One does not violate a babies right to life but merely deprives him/her of something – the use of someone else’s body.
- SLED: Size. Level of Development. Environment. Degree of Dependency.
Quotable Quotes
“If you love them, you will have the hard conversation.” – Jennifer DeFrates
“Abortion feels like it undoes the damage [of rape or incest] but it doesn’t” – Jennifer DeFrates
“If its parent’s are human, it’s human. And humans have the right to life. – Jennifer DeFrates
“Leave them thinking, not fuming.” – Jennifer DeFrates
“I want to put a stone in his shoe. All I want to do is give him something worth thinking about. I want him to hobble away on a nugget of truth he can’t simply ignore because it continues to poke at him.” – Greg Koukl
We are all in this together, so sometimes our posts are a bit of all of us.
Laws that prohibit the sovereignty of a person’s body for the most part are a vast leap into anti-Constitutional, anti-American anti-Christ fascism. The laws against ingesting foreign substances are a perfect example.
It may be that there is a case for a temporary restraint re those in mental distress in taking their own lives. But there is no law against doing so – only temporary restraint – ultimately they have sovereignty over their bodies.
You don’t have sovereignty over their bodies – God has NEVER given you the authority to oppress another human being’s personal sovereignty – your wickedness has taken it upon yourself to seat yourself in God’s throne – which is blatant idolatry.
Hi, thank you for this relevant episode on a typically taboo topic! So appreciate it. Would you please share the resource that cites those statistics mentioned related to abortion and incest/rape?
I couldn’t find this statistic anywhere (93% of rape and incest victims who have abortions regret their decision.) For this to be an accurate percentage, you would have to ask who was being asked, when, the sample size, etc.
Mama Bears, I enjoy your podcast. I am a pro-choice Christian, and I live and move in a pretty secular world. Your podcast is not afraid to tackle tough subjects, and I applaud you for that.
This one was tough for me. I listened to it twice. There was so little mention of men’s roles in crisis pregnancy, and there was condescension towards women experiencing them (along the lines of “What did you expect?”)
Why not go after the men? Why not shame them? Why not legislation to ban them from having premarital and extramarital sex? Absurd, right?
And by all rights, if you are totally down with “life begins at conception,” IVF should be banned because of the number of embryos killed. Know a friend who’s done IVF? They’ve probably killed an embryo. Make sure they feel shame and remorse!
There was also a point made about an exception being made to allow abortions for women whose lives are in danger but that it should be “very narrow.” This point just sounded cruel to me.
Up until the 19th Century, abortion wasn’t banned, and certainly, no one legislated against it.
Abortion isn’t mentioned in the Bible except for Numbers 5, where priests give a woman an abortifacient to determine whether she has been adulterous.
If you are pro-life and believe that life begins at conception, that’s great. I hope you’ll help lots of women with their crisis pregnancies. But shaming women (especially those who’ve experienced rape and incest) into carrying pregnancies to term just seems cruel to me, apologetics aside.
Ladies, abortion is on the ballot in a couple of weeks. You do you:
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-election-2024-roe-ballot-4403190b898e501b0834053c3417d072